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| 2cw's Viking | Aug 29 2010, 09:07 AM Post #41 |
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| Deleted User | Aug 29 2010, 10:41 AM Post #42 |
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You know, I see your point... but why can't we have BOTH? Why not try and get the quality match but better booking? Look, we can take shots and argue our points all day all day all day. That's the beauty of these dumb boards. Truth be told, I saw a missed opportunity and I stand by that opinion. And for those of you that think I try and dress up attacks with a little bit of compliments, I am a fan and I DO want to see 2CW succeed. I seriously do. I am not going on Facebook where the comments are not eraseable and starting ANYTHING. I am going to the boards where a few dozen diehards and the front office visit to vent and suggest things. If I really wanted to shit stir I could really hammer you guys but that was never my intention. It's like when you go to Burger King and they give you a receipt that says "Take our survey and win $1,000". They don't do that so that everyone goes on there and says how awesome their Whopper JRs are. And they are tasty.... but oh yeah back to the point. They do that to get the negative stuff so they know how to improve and give people what they want. |
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| DeweyCNY | Aug 29 2010, 12:21 PM Post #43 |
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I agree with you on a lot of points, and the ones that I don't we can agree to disagree on. Everyone has their opinions and they evolve over time. We brought a first time 2CW fan (shout out to Liquor Dick, lol!) and he had the same thoughts as you on the ending, he wanted to see a clean finish. For me, it didn't matter but I see your point whether I agree with it or not. Your first posting had some good points about what does 2CW have to do to NOT have to bring in a big name and still draw a big crowd. You hit it right on the head with the fact that they bring them in to bring in new fans, who will hopefully want to see the rest of the guys the next time they come to town without the big name. They did the same thing with AJ last year in Syracuse. It's a slow process but I see it starting to work. There's more regulars that come to every or most every show now, and more that are regulars to specific venues. As far as what names they bring in, it seems that it's the Legends that draw; the irony is that the 2/3 of the crowd that is there to see that big name doesn't give 2 craps about the rest of the card, and doesn't appreciate a 60 minute Slyck v Scorpio or a 30 minute Isys v Walters classic. And yes, when Jake was done with his speech there was a line of about 30 people who left without even watching Danielson v Freddie. I heard people walking out who weren't impressed with the show except for Jake. Now I don't know what show they wanted but it wasn't the one I was watching, which I thought was one of the better shows. We bring up all kinds of names here that we'd love to see; Chuck Taylor, Briscoe Brothers, Jack Evans... but how many fans are they really going to draw? It's unfortunate that TNA isn't a bigger draw, but look at the attendance for shows with Awesome Kong and Samoa Joe versus Hacksaw and Jake. I think the booking and match quality have increased immensly over the years; We've been to almost every show since 2CW started, and there were some clunker shows the first couple years. But there was enough there and we saw the potential for 2CW to be something great. I'd say the last 2 years they have really hit their stride, with maybe 2 or 3 "meh" shows in that period. Chicken Wing Festival comes to mind but that has it's own set of reasons. I think it comes down to; the people you are drawing because of the big names don't care about the rest of the show 2CW is offering. Not all but some, and like I said it is a slow process. Still, you had Awesome Kong as the big name on Father's Day which was the least attended Watertown show, at about 250 something; Jay Lethal on another promotion's attempt to run in Watertown was about 50-60. At least a third of that crowd was 2CW regulars wanting to see what the <cough> competition had to offer, and started 2CW chants all night. So, 2CW is doing something right. Take out the hundred or so 2CW regulars at every show and even Father's Day still tripled what the other one did. I see Hacksaw has now been added to Utica and Elmira. Fact is he's been a steady draw, regardless of the matches he can put on now, he's still charismatic, and gets the crowd into it. I even catch myself chanting "USA" and "Hooooooooooooo", so... good for him because I'd rather watch Edwards/Walters all day long. But if he can bring in enough fans to pay for him and most of the rest of the show, then I'm all for having him on the show and watching a Hacksaw match with a big crowd that helps 2CW stay in business. As for what else can they do? That's the million dollar question right there. I think there really is a limited audience that appreciates the type of show that 2CW puts on. The good news is that fanbase is deidcated and gets really involved in the shows. The bad news is that it really is a limited crowd, and upstate new york is not a promoter's dream market. The economy is in the shitter, and people aren't spending money on entertainment because it's that or food/rent/etc. So when Brett Michaels and half the summer concert series are cancelled, and Aerosmith plays to a half full Fairgrounds crowd; 800 people in Watertown and consistent sellouts in Syracuse and Binghamton say a lot for 2CW and what they have been able to do to keep going. So, I say keep bringing in the big names that are drawing, and eventually more and more fans will keep returning to see the rest. It's obvious from the reactions of many there to see the big names that they won't come back without them, but if enough do, 2CW can keep expanding. I think getting more press on the bigger websites is a key, and that's starting to happen. That's important because there's a lot of potential there, the fans that visit those sites are more the type that want to see Edwards/Walters/Brodie/Slyck and would be happy and impressed by some names they may not have heard much of before like Isys/Freddie/Axe. Unfortuntaly there's a lot of BS and politics to get that attention, but it's starting to happen. When Jake announced his retirement it was on some of the boards in minutes; someone showed me a reply while we were getting ready to take down the tailgate tent from someone in Colorado that said "is that the show Danielson was on this weekend?" so the 2CW name is starting to get out there and be known. So my answer is a long term goal of getting the name out to those that will come back, and in the short term, bring in the Duggans, etc that will hopefully pay the bills. A turnaround in the ecocomy and TNA getting their act together to bring wrestling back into the mainstream would help too, something 2CW has no control over. That's all I've got... see you at the shows! |
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| wrestlingobserver | Aug 29 2010, 03:18 PM Post #44 |
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Many people have brought it up but I will add to it anyway. TNA and WWE talent usually are NOT allowed to lose if they work for other companies, that is just a fact. The way the ending went down protects Danielson and Freddie as it should. Could it have been booked differently? Of course but we do not make those decisions. Was it a poor booking decision? That is debatable but I say NO, it was different but not poor. In 2010, 99.9% of fans know that wrestling is a work and we keep coming back because we do not care and it still entertains us. The rest have gone over to what they feel is more legit, cage fighting. I can argue about the legitimacy of that form of entertainment with anyone but that is for a different forum. Weird Al should have drawn more than 1K, the guy is more G rated and marketable than 2CW would ever be. |
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| OGDBenny1 | Aug 30 2010, 11:23 PM Post #45 |
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Anyone who says Jake The Snake isn't a draw must not have been at the show. His line for the meet and greet was 3 times as long as Bryan Danielson's. And after his match people started filing out. That's all the evidence I need to determine that he was the draw for the show. Watertown was my first 2CW show, but I'm thinking that it won't be my last. As someone who was there to see Jake The Snake, I must say that I was impressed by some of the other matches too. |
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| jrgriffin15 | Aug 31 2010, 04:55 PM Post #46 |
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welcome to 2CW and hope that you come out and check out the other shows that are planned for the future, you wont be disappointed. |
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